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Posting #21: Fri Jun 1st, 2007 17:29 |
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Dear moolah,
I think u should also have a, look into the potential high risk complicated one-sided JV PropertY Development with Potential high risk for huge cash stripping before deciding the overall decent performance!
The other payable of EKSON in the balance sheet had also incresed by Rm 50 million.
I may be wrong perhaps review and investigate further.
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Posting #22: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 05:33 |
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stockraider1 wrote: Dear moolah,
I think u should also have a, look into the potential high risk complicated one-sided JV PropertY Development with Potential high risk for huge cash stripping before deciding the overall decent performance!
The other payable of EKSON in the balance sheet had also incresed by Rm 50 million.
I may be wrong perhaps review and investigate further.
Best Rgds
My Dearest stockraider1,
My, aren't you getting personal??!
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The property development venture has been highlighted already. I for one thinks poorly about its rationale to diversify into property. Most here know my stance on this issue.
Now my dearest waikiat asked about its earninge performance.
Can I call it anything else but really decent?
Can I twist like how you twist the issue around?
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- The other payable of Ekson in the balance sheet had also incresed by Rm 50 million.
LOL!!.. so what is other payable. Please lighten me for I have no idea. Have you really checked the rest of the balance sheet? Perhaps you should investigate further yourself.
Please.. I am not here to ask you to like me... but... stick to the issue and do not attempt to make things personal.
It really reflects so poorly on yourself.
Have a good weekend.
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Posting #23: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 05:54 |
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The company performance is decent in the last quarter.
- Turnover was RM95.2 million as compared to the preceding quarter’s turnover of RM62.1 million.
But profit declining compare to preceding quater:
- The Group recorded a profit before taxation of RM15.7 million for the quarter under review. This is 16.9% lower compared to the preceding quarter’s profit before taxation of RM18.9 million.
Reasons:
- Lower margins arising from lower plywood selling prices and higher production costs during the quarter under review led to the Group’s lower profit despite recording a higher turnover. The appreciation of the Ringgit against the US Dollar during the quarter under review also contributed to the squeeze in margins.
Looking forward:
- we are cautiously optimistic on the Group’s performance. Expectations of plywood prices improving over the short to medium term will help mitigate the impact of the stronger Ringgit on the back of a recovery in demand, in particular from the US.
- our Tawau mill will see the full impact from its increased capacity of 30,000 m3 per annum.
- lower power generation costs arising from its recently commissioned biomass power plant.
Property Venture:
Risky & money easily drain out. Yet to see the company performance. But I thought recently the market is re-rating the property sector? May not be bad news though I don't like the idea the company venture into this business. The company did make a small profit from property sector. Read its note to the accounts. Hopefully it perform as well.
My Moola:
- the Company’s proposed RM0.20 capital repayment exercise was approved by the High Court of Sarawak and Sabah at Tawau on 15 May 2007. The entitlement date of the capital repayment is on 8 June 2007 whilst payment, barring unforeseen circumstances would be made on 22 June 2007.
- the Company is proposing to implement a dividend policy from Financial Year 2008 onwards, setting a target dividend payment of 15% of its net earnings
- The Company may propose further dividends when circumstances permit.
Price:
The market now say RM1.70 to RM1.85. Some analyst said outperform and the price can go to RM2.62.
How much are you willing to pay for such company?
Last edited on Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 06:03 by TK
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Posting #24: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 06:46 |
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My dearest TK,
But profit declining compare to preceding quater:
- The Group recorded a profit before taxation of RM15.7 million for the quarter under review. This is 16.9% lower compared to the preceding quarter’s profit before taxation of RM18.9 million.
Yes, on a Q-Q basis there is a decline but I am sure you are aware that most prefer to use a y-o-y comparison. Some business have quarterly weakness due to seasonal factors.
Having said that I would pay close attention to what the company had said.
- Lower margins arising from lower plywood selling prices and higher production costs during the quarter under review led to the Group’s lower profit despite recording a higher turnover. The appreciation of the Ringgit against the US Dollar during the quarter under review also contributed to the squeeze in margins.
These are concerns. Remember Ekson's expertise is in the US market. Hence, a low USD would indeed cause a squeeze in margins for Ekson.
here is the performance of Ekson.

Based on the numbers shown, I stand by what I said, it's a really decent performance.
- Property Venture:
Risky & money easily drain out. Yet to see the company performance. But I thought recently the market is re-rating the property sector? May not be bad news though I don't like the idea the company venture into this business. The company did make a small profit from property sector. Read its note to the accounts. Hopefully it perform as well. Money draining out... errr... when you invest in a new venture, money has to drain out in order for more to come in. This is a necessity. Money no go out, how to money come in?
However, having said that, as i have said, I am against Ekson's venture into the property business. It's beyond their expertise. I never favour such a corporate exercise. Ok? Ekson should stick to what it knows best!
So I would be aware and I would be concern of this issue if I am an investor.
Ok?
Weiii... your last question... err.. LOL ... I am in no position to answer you, I hope you understand.
Cheers!
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Posting #25: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 11:29 |
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Moolah.
The Qtr to Qtr profit is just to highlight the margin squeze. The revunue did increase. Most company give reasons on shorter working days for last quarter as a reason of declining revenue/profit. But Ekson's is silent on this (I believe there may be a shorter working days, & yet revenue increase).
The property sector.....money drain out... not the cost lah... I mean....Anyway, just hope that the one responsible for development project left enough profit to the shareholders.
The last question....not to ask you, but a question for an investor (including me) to ask himselfs.
Of course, if you are willing to give opinion, I sai lang:s37:
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Posting #26: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 11:39 |
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My dearest TK,
- The Qtr to Qtr profit is just to highlight the margin squeze. The revunue did increase. Most company give reasons on shorter working days for last quarter as a reason of declining revenue/profit. But Ekson's is silent on this (I believe there may be a shorter working days, & yet revenue increase).
Good point pointed out!
- The property sector.....money drain out... not the cost lah... I mean....Anyway, just hope that the one responsible for development project left enough profit to the shareholders.
Oh ic. Yes.
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Posting #27: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 17:10 |
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Dear moolah,
I think u getting too sensitive.
I just point out the potential weaknesses of your comment.
Someone my rely on your comment and make an error in investment !
However i may be Wrong !
I think it is nothing wrong to further investigate since u have done more research on this counter earlier.
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Posting #28: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 18:33 |
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Dear TK,
I smell rat in this exercise !
1)The GDV is only Rm 240m but land cost is Rm 62m.On top of that EKSON is only entitle for 60%.This means mathematically the land cost will further increase to Rm 103m.Quite high 43% of GDV is land cost.
2)On top of this Ekson make a payout of Rm 9 million to participate which the managing director has an interest this cost is not factor in.
3)The whole project will need to be bank roll by Ekson upto minimum Rm 40m.
4)The company has been hoarding cash earlier for a few years despite making good profits, when this project announce, coincidence a capital repayment of Rm 0.20 per share is propose do u think is a big deal ?
5)The balance sheet has deteriorated with additional borrowing and there is an extraordinary increase of other payable by Rm 50m.This even b4 dev project really started.
6)The co is diversifying into property relying on a 40% partner, who has little standing on the property arena! ie Small proj experience in Seremban.
Although the independent adviser has supported this deal but there is no indication of rate of return of this project and the breakeven level, I think bcos of the high land cost the cashflow will be very tight.
In addition i did not see any independent valuer report.
Furthermore this project land has 62.5 acres, but the JV is only handling 50 acres, so someone is sitting pretty after all the infra is put up by the Ekson-JV.
The plywood business may be ok or good but then when u can see the integrity risk involve, u will rather avoid.
A typical investor normally kept off guard when everything looks rosy esp Eksons announcing few rounds of profit growth.!!
But check the cashflow is it as strong as the profit ?
This is typical high risk project.
The above is my personal comment and opinion,i may be wrong, please do further verifications to confirm or refute my findings!
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Posting #29: Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 03:37 |
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stockraider1 wrote: Dear moolah,
I think u getting too sensitive.
I just point out the potential weaknesses of your comment.
Someone my rely on your comment and make an error in investment !
However i may be Wrong !
I think it is nothing wrong to further investigate since u have done more research on this counter earlier.
My dearest stcokraider1,
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Let me say again.. my, aren't you getting personal??!
- I think u getting too sensitive.
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Do read again what I was replying to....
waikiat wrote:
well... looking good... capital repayment of 20c coming real soon...
Cash '06 v '05 : $71 million v $50 million
Borrowings '06 v '05 : $38 million v 21 million
EPS '06 v '05 : 30c v 19c
Profit Margin '06 v '05 : 16.6% v 11.5%
Revenue '06 v '05 : $329 million v $283 million
What do you think... this company is benefiting from the plywood price uptrend... revenue increase over 16% but profit up almost 50%... must be from the high selling prices!
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Nah.... me being sensitive?
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Posting #30: Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 11:02 |
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| so whats with the hoo-hah...
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