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Posting #1: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 08:35 |
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Since there is interest in this stock, those that know me, knows that I had a bit of history with this one. Back in Dec 2004, I embarked on a trial investing based on cyclical investing.
It's kind of long.. so if you wanna read... u need to read from bottoms up.
This is the snapshot of what I wrote back then. (to be cont...)
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Posting #2: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 08:43 |
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Part II
So I purchased the stock at around 1.36.
Now this 'investment' never did pan out. Despite the apparent cheapness in the stock, the stock did not perform as what I expected.
Let me reproduce what I had said again.
anywayyyy.... let me re-print it clearly what i wrote.
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I am expecting an eps of 35.8 sen for 2005. And needless to say, since my expectations is so high, I find that Eksons is currently very much undervalued which is why I am willing to stick some money into it.
How to safeguard my expectations?
Watch the net profit. For the next quarterly announcement in Feb, the bar is set to a minimum net profit of 15 million. If Ekson does NOT meet this target… this is the warning sign to get out!!
Need to be very alert here… since Eksons is in the timber sector… anything can happen… plus Eksons has no history of rewarding its shareholders. Watch the market reaction…
And if its net profit is less than what it achieved in q2… ie 13.493 MILLION….. GET THE HELL OUT… RIGHT AWAY!
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A stock which appeared cheap in its valuations BUT it wasn't willing to share its profits. There were no history of rewarding its shareholders.
And I had set a min earnings performance for Ekson. Something, which I would not normally do but since we are talking about a cyclical stock here and most important of the non-dividend history.
And how did Eksons do?
Quarterly rpt on consolidated results for the financial period ended 31/12/2004
Eksons announced a net profit of ONLY 9.978 million.
(to be continued...)
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Posting #3: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 08:59 |
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Part III
Eksons had failed to meet my expectations, hence I decided to CUT my losses, right there and then.
Anyway, I did another update on this fella in Aug 2005.
It's kind of long ... and since this software allows only one attachment or one screen shot per post... you have to read the next posting...
(to be cont...)
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Posting #4: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:05 |
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So how?
Since 2003, Ekson has been doing great, rite?
net profit since 2003: 7.098 million, 17.599 million and 45.662 million
net profit margin since 2003: 2.75%, 6.72%, 14.59%
Excellent isn't it?
The piggy bank cash?
start of 2003: 18.107 mil, start of 2004: 12.486mil, start of 2005: 31.518 million and end of 2005: 22.614 million.
Not so good eh? Where the moola go? This is an important isssue cos remember the part of Eksons not paying a dividend?
Yup from fy 2003 to fy 2005 ... Zilo.... Elek.... Boh..... Angin....!
open the 2005 q4 earnings... Click on the Excel file... and look in the CF worksheet...
look at line 58- line 61.... a net decrease of 2.995 million... wor.... scary? Company said it made over 45.662 million for fy 2005 mah... and yet their piggy bank shrank by 2.995 million....
if u loooooook at the CF worksheet again.... the big chunk of 41.665 million went into the repayment of trade payables.... while the rest ...is caused by increase in inventories and also increase in trade receivables....
how?
(the table below showed Eksons quarterly earnings)
Is this an issue/flag/warning for u?
how?
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Posting #5: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:07 |
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Have I not read this somewhere before? Gosh, I am getting old.
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Posting #6: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:14 |
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cont.. (the following comments were posted on my blog recently)
So far still ok .... or..... tarak ok?
cos... if tarak ok.... no need to read one mah...  
sooo far ... from what i see.... whatever Ekson made... ze moola went to repayment of trade payables... ie.... the payment of utangs!
how?
pay old utang mah.... minority shareholders? eat northeast wind lor! yalor... makan angin saje....
sooo.... moving forward.... if u invest in such a stock.... these type of stocks needs a catalyst mah..... for folks to chase or whallop or hantem the stock (err... look back in the charts hor... no need any rocket scientist to say mah... so far... no samseng have been playing the stock lah... hor... so if they dun play... u think the stock got legs ka? kaki-kia? ho ho ho )....
sooooooooooo....... what's gonna make people CHIAK da stock?
Telling fancy berak stories is one thing... but for investors la.... what issit that gonna seduce them to buy the stock?
Good earnings is one thing... but ... seeing some moola is also very important .. isn't it?
tiok boh?
no ar?
i dunno la.... but for me..... in me opinion (lol - kinda redundant isn't it.. me is writing ... so def my opinion mah) .... most important is..... what will Ekson do with their cash flow?
So, for me, i will watch the NEXT earnings (dis month), which i will ASS-U-ME shud still be good lah (for now - but dunno how long!)... cos... since the quarterly earnings lags the plywood prices posted at globalwood (which shows that the thin plywood prices is still very geng)..... now besides the earnings.... i will ALSO watch the cashflow... see what the company do with their moola! (trade payables is now only 27 million - compared to 39 million for fy 2004) or better still.... simply put... i be watching if the company announces a Virgin dividend....
yalor... ze management or rather ze owner.... does look clean lah... cos if u checkout their announcements... they have yet to make any funky corporate exercises lor.. no esos thingy.. but... surely... they shud know better... since those investors who had invested in this one.... had been waiting for soooooooo darn long liao.... their necks olso so longgggggggg waiting for some moola dividend....
how?
Oh.... i know.... when i ass-u-me.... i make an ass out of u and me... and i know the cyclical factor involved in timber products.
Oh and another sticky thing about Eksons... lack of institute coverage... yalor... so far... for its oustanding earnings... i have only seen Affin and Kenaga write some love stories on this bugger.
Sooooo.... if no fancy lovey dovey stories.... surely Shirley dis bugger cannot kaki-kia.... can it?
Can ar?
for example... if u look at the timber sector update from RHB in July 2005, RHB did not even mention dis bugger....
We are downgrading our earnings forecasts for timber companies in our coverage as we trim our projected margins to factor in higher prices of logs and crude oil as we believe the impact of high prices of these two components on margins for Cymao, Jaya Tiasa and Lingui will be more severe than our expectation.
(1) Continued strength in price of tropical logs so far this year is positive for logging operations but has a negative impact on profitability of plywood manufacturing businesses. Generally, the timber companies in our coverage, with the exception of Cymao, are backed by large timber concessions that supply logs to the downstream plywood manufacturing operations. However, these companies also source part of their log requirements for plywood milling operations from other (related or unrelated) parties. Plywood prices, on the other hand, have been quite stagnant partly due to lackluster domestic plywood market in Japan which makes it difficult to fully pass on the increase in costs to plywood users.
Soooo.... if got NO write-up.... does the market know what on earth is this share called Ekson?
how?
wat u think?
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Posting #7: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:21 |
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how?
The market, like RHB, which doesn't even has coverage on dis bugger, has oredi such a negative perception over the stock.
And worse still... not knowing it exist is one thing.... but .... they dun even understand the product....
here is a snippet from Affin write-up last year...
• Product of a reverse takeover in 2000. Eksons Corporation is the product of a reverse takeover of Chongai Corporation (a garment manufacturer) back in 2000. The group specialises in the manufacture of thin plywood (as opposed to thick plywood), which are typically about 2.5mm to 3mm in thickness.
• Manufacturer of thin plywood. Eksons is said to be the only plywood manufacturer in Malaysia that specialises almost entirely in the manufacture of thin plywood (the other manufacturers are engaged in this activity, but to a much lesser degree). The manufacture of thin plywood is said to require
aaahhh..... u see onot... Eksosns does the thin plywood... the 2.5mm to 3 mmm plywood..... whose market, the thin plywood market, is really having a fantastic bout of good fortune...
as can be seen in 667.33 , click on the globalwood Aug 2003, the 3mm plywood prices was only US$215-225 per m3. The 2.7mm plywood price then was only US$235-245 per m3.
Recent prices? See 667.96 . June 2005. The 2.7mm plywood price is now US$390-400 per m3 and the 3mm plywood price is now US$360-370 per m3.
ahem.... this what they call.... sibeh good fortune hor... :D:D:D
Soooooo..... with the prices of their products soaring like crazy.... wud the ringgit peg have a big impact? how?
anyway... here is another snippet from that same Affin write-up...
Market for products
• Sales is primarily focused on the export market and only about 7% is sold domestically. In 1Q FYE3/05, the main markets for its products were the US (45%), Korea (14%), UK (10%), and Egypt (9%).
• Used to focus on the China market. When Eksons was first listed in 2000, more than 80% of its products were exported to the China market. However, margins were thin and the group faced intense competition. As a result, a decision was made to switch market focus and by April 2003, the group had stopped exporting to China.
• Does not sell to Japan. Also, unlike most other timber manufacturers, it does not sell to the Japanese market, which requires the production of 3' x 6' plywood.
hence.... the delima for a share like Ekson....
the market just do not understand its products.... well... we can sit and argue and tok and tok and tok.... till all my moo-moo cows come home to oy-oy.... but yet.... it still wun change a thing.....
this share only attracts lalat....
how?
yeah... from bursa announcement... some of the epf funds managed by Phiem has been accumulating this bugger in small tidbits.....
but for me....
my say is simple again..... unless the management/owner of this bugger show some moola to the market (ie dividend), this share looks very likely to attract more lalat only....
no moola? the share cannot kaki-kia lor....
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Posting #8: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:21 |
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nm,
This rings a bell to me on LKT before that researcher who found it out... The rest is history.
Maybe that's why there is this 20 sen cap repayment. To grab some headline at least. OR, i ASSuME only, some bankers are actually swimming around to sapu cheap stock..... who with the right mind will dump a share which is almost MATI oredi at 0.9. Where got moolah??
The rationale of pump and dump is not very convincing. IF u want to pump, you must pump with a OOMP, like EDEN or iris. THis eksons, only from 0.9 to 1.2... hoh.
Since u have tracked Eksons for so long, we all know that the management is VERY passive for so many years. They just mind their own biz for long and maybe they even forget they are listed. Then why in this year EGM, a big U turn. CAnnot be suddenly being enlightened that they need to do something called "reward shareholder".
AssUme only......
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Posting #9: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:22 |
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nm,
Actually pheim and EPF does hold this eksons for quite some time. But they had disposed it recently.
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Posting #10: Fri Jul 28th, 2006 09:29 |
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A purchase on Ekson back in Dec 2004, would have seen an investor purchasing a stock trading at a very low earnings multiple. Earnings were showing quarterly improvement... but... this stock was simply a LALAT stock and most important it was a cyclical stock. And incredibly, buying on Dec 2004, meant that the investor bought Eksons at the peak of its earning cycle!!
And the end result? Look at the chart below. Just imagine if one turned their speculation into a long term investment!
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