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Posting #21: Fri May 30th, 2008 12:52 |
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- ..Dec..Jan..Feb..Mar..Apr..May .. 6 months hor .. must be a world record
. And 6 days for me to find this reply too .
     

( yat - yee - sam - sei - mmm - luk .... there.. cows can count to six too. )
- Inspite of scientific studies.. I conclude that cows have loonnggg memories.

And you do know that cows can shake a lononggggggg time too! 
- Chartists will also note it has gone sideways out of the downtrend line. Readers to make their own opinion please
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What kind of ketam walk like that?  
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Posting #22: Fri May 30th, 2008 12:54 |
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- You said investor invests based on fundamentals mah so fundamental investor mah redundant lorr

Now this a rather redundant reply!
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Posting #23: Fri May 30th, 2008 16:47 |
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Moolah wrote: James Bull wrote: The lack of earnings growth despite all the positiveness in the steel sector is rather a worry for me.
I believe that's because of the existing plant already operated in 110% capacity since last year.
Should we consider this as a value buy since it's traded around 5-6x PE only?
Some wise buggers once said to me... and i remeber it very well...
growth is makes make the company attractive and valuable.
So without growth.. this stock.. macam tarak valuable woh...
So if not so valuable.... what's the point of getting it cheap?
Such thinking, correct ah?

with their expansion isn't it consider growth? as their sales are rather contain with their plant capacity, so many might consider theres no growth...
n they have da ability to churn out 110% from their plant... 
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Posting #24: Sat May 31st, 2008 01:59 |
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with their expansion isn't it consider growth? as their sales are rather contain with their plant capacity, so many might consider theres no growth...
Yes, expansion is considered growth but as an investor, what matters most to you? Growth in earnings or growth in expansion?
Without the growth in earnings, how is this stock gonna seduce buyers to buy the stock?
Without the growth in earnings, what are the chances of the shareholders getting more dividends?

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Posting #25: Sat May 31st, 2008 02:32 |
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so its the co. is moving in the right direction, expansion n maybe going upstream to own a steel plant...
yes, u r right... growth in earnings is pretty important for a investor...
we will see what will be the impact of their newly expansion plant by 3rd quarter... whether they will still be able keep their margins...
till then n no point , dun give the stock a death sentence first laaa 
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Posting #26: Sat May 31st, 2008 03:19 |
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waikiat wrote: so its the co. is moving in the right direction, expansion n maybe going upstream to own a steel plant...
yes, u r right... growth in earnings is pretty important for a investor...
we will see what will be the impact of their newly expansion plant by 3rd quarter... whether they will still be able keep their margins...
till then n no point , dun give the stock a death sentence first laaa 

DearestWk,
Weii.... where exactly did I give Huann the death sentence???? U think i terror kung fu fighter ah?

Seriously, care to pin point exactly?
Look, I do pin point out the concerns within any given a stock. The bare fact is there is NO STOCK that is perfect. Even Berkshire has some issues. Now pointing out an issue is call giving out death sentence meh???

Discussion mah... diok boh? In all discussion, surely got talk about good and bad stuff mah... yes? Where got ppl only want to hear the good, and close the ears and the eyes on the possible risks? Can meh like this?
Expansion, is usually a good point BUT let's be realistic for expansion has risks and sometimes expansions does not equate to a better bottomline.
As Auntie say tok is so cheap - how about some real example?
Take Mieco. Their expansion back in 2005 or is it 2006, it involved a 300 million, state of the art plant. Before expansion, Mieco had growth and was cash rich. Now? Losing money and their balance sheet has gone banged out of shape!
How about Silver Birdie? Expansion woh. Build 100 million bread plant in Shah Alam. End result? Earnings is terrible and that state of the art plant is now sold and Silver Bird has to lease back.
And then... the stories about the companies expanding to Vietnam... see yesterday trading? All got whacked!
Sometimes, over expansion can kill if not managed well. Diok boh?
That's my interpretation and my opinion, which is backed by what I have seen happening. ( I hope i can see nicely )
Of course, they are exceptions, no doubt. There are many success story too.
Bottom line, if u ask for my sen, i would say, dun ass-u-me that expansion is always good!
Can ah? My explanation like this?   
If not agree... u can tell me why la. 
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Posting #27: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:59 |
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moo moo,
da way u bang bang, step step, trash trash da stock makes me think u r giving the stock a death sentence ... 
like u say, there is always a good side n the bad (back) side but most ppl tend to shut their ears on the bad (back) side.. but imo hor, on you hor, u very the like to talk on the bad (back) side oni... 
anyway... yes... wat u hightlighted is not totally wrong also lar... 
yea lor, will jus have to keep an eye on how they fair on their expansion venture...

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Posting #28: Sat May 31st, 2008 05:12 |
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waikiat wrote: moo moo,
da way u bang bang, step step, trash trash da stock makes me think u r giving the stock a death sentence ... 
like u say, there is always a good side n the bad (back) side but most ppl tend to shut their ears on the bad (back) side.. but imo hor, on you hor, u very the like to talk on the bad (back) side oni... 
anyway... yes... wat u hightlighted is not totally wrong also lar... 
yea lor, will jus have to keep an eye on how they fair on their expansion venture...


Weiii... must be fair mah.... cos I no say Huann got NO chance woh. Did I?

side.. but imo hor, on you hor, u very the like to talk on the bad (back) side oni... 

Weiii... laying out the bare bottom facts is back side meh????

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Posting #29: Sat May 31st, 2008 05:14 |
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Huan discussion getting a bit more interesting with large participation !
I want to highlight a few issue which need a bit more emphasis ?
A) What not enough financial data to back up investment ?
a) Latest result provide good info to support that HUAN is a good buy based on existing price of Rm 0.68.
1) PE of 5 or earning yield of 20% p.a compare with existing opportunity cost of 4% p.a. (fixed deposits)
2) Cashflow of Huan is positive & it tally to cash increase in the balance sheet
3) Huan has more than 70 million cash todate with no borrowing
4) There is revenue & earnings growth agst previous yr corresponding qtr but there is no growth in earnings agst previous qtr ( Question Growth Should Be Compare with Previous Year QTR or Previous QTR ?) . For me I think is should be agst previous year corresponding period
Overall on FA this company actually fare extremely well !
Then how could we not draw conclusion based on FA ? Even if minus growth the earnings yield of 20% which should able to offset the growth preposition.
The issue is still unfamiliarity of Foreign Operating Companies, Fear of Corporate Governance such as Account manipulation-(Just Perception May Not Be True)- The main red flag here is change of auditors here.
Key investment criteria-Great financial Reading but can it overcome the concern of corporate governance ?
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Posting #30: Sat May 31st, 2008 13:22 |
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yat - yee - sam - sei - mmm - luk ... oone rende moone naale anji aare .. cicaks can count in tamil 
Just to throw a macroeconomic spanner into the works.. there is now consideration of the effects of rising transport costs (courtesy of rising oil) acting like a tariff on global business.
Article from The Canadian Press http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxnH-FTEsphWbh92nlKQDbwW616w. I'll post the article here in case it gets restricted in the future:
High oil prices reversing impacts of globalization, outsourcing of jobs: CIBC
May 27, 2008
OTTAWA — The rising cost of energy is undercutting global trade by raising transportation costs to such levels that businesses will be forced to look closer to home for suppliers, says a CIBC World Markets report.
"Globalization is reversible," the bank's chief economist, Jeff Rubin, wrote in the study released Tuesday.
"In a world of triple-digit oil prices, distance costs money. And while trade liberalization and technology may have flattened the world, rising transportation prices will once again make it rounder."
Rubin and co-author Benjamin Tal say the cost of moving goods - particularly heavy materials such as steel - not the burden of tariffs, is the largest barrier to global trade today.
They calculate the explosion in transport costs caused by the record price of oil has effectively offset all the trade liberalization efforts of the past three decades.
In 2000, when oil was US$20 a barrel, the cost of transportation was the equivalent of a three per cent U.S. tariff rate, they say.
Transportation costs are now equivalent to a nine per cent tariff, and at US$150 a barrel for oil, they would amount to an 11 per cent tariff - about the average of tariff rates in the 1970s.
If oil goes to US$200, as the CIBC has forecast, "we are back to the tariff rates not seen since prior to the Kennedy Round GATT negotiations in the mid-1960s."
Tal said in a interview that not all trade liberalization flows are reversible because of transport costs, nor does their analogy hold for all products.
China and other Asian exporters, with their low labour costs, will still out-compete many North American industries, such as the labour-intensive textile sector.
But in products such as steel and heavy machinery, which have a relatively low labour content and are expensive to ship, Canada and the U.S. may see real gains in market share and jobs, he said.
"Are we seeing a major inflow of jobs back to the manufacturing sector? Not yet," he said. "But if oil prices continue to rise and transport prices even double from the current rate, you will see more and more jobs coming back."
United Steelworkers economist Erin Weir said the CIBC paper makes sense in theory, since globalization is partially made possible by cheap transportation costs.
Weir said he cannot point to any sudden increase in steel production in Canada, but noted that the country's steel industry has been acquired by foreign interests in the past few years, "so they must believe they are good investments."
The CIBC says already some niche industries have been affected by energy costs, despite the recent nature of the oil spike, which has seen the price double to over the past year to about US$130.
China's steel shipments to the United States are down by 20 per cent from a year ago, the worst performance in a decade, while U.S. domestic steel production has risen 10 per cent.
And there is evidence that other Chinese exports such as furniture, footwear, metal goods and industrial materials are also beginning to slow.
"How much of Chinese manufacturing production will be coming home remains to be seen," the report adds, "but there is certainly no reason why we should not expect to see at least comparable if not greater trade diversion than we saw during the OPEC oil shocks of the 1970s."
A big beneficiary could be Mexico, with its low labour costs and proximity to the U.S. market.
Canada will be a more modest beneficiary, says Tal, in that some manufacturers will face less competition from China, India and Korea.
On the other hand, high energy prices will have a minimum impact on Canadian exports, Tal added, since the vast majority are bound for the nearby U.S. market, and many are in commodities, for which markets have few alternative sources.
How much it will affect chinese steel exports is hard to say at this point. So many factors at work.. oil price fluctuations, US economic downturn, rising domestic Chinese consumption.. the mind boggles.
As wise men say.. Don't count your lizards before they hatch . (Altogether now... oone.. rende.. moone.. ) 

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