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 Posting #31: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:10

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I dun know about that.. If I'm in it for the long term I would focus on the profit derived from operations..

And also you'd have to take into account that all those extra cash won't be handed to you as dividends

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 Posting #32: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:30

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30-05-2008: AirAsia asks for incentives and reduction of RM110m charges
by Toh Mei Ling
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SEPANG: AirAsia Bhd has requested the government to reduce airport charges as well as grant the airline incentives in relation to the carrier’s debt of RM110.4 million owing to Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB).

“AirAsia has made a request to the government for sub-consideration for reduction in charges and for incentives,” MAHB managing director Datuk Seri Bashir Ahmad Majid told reporters after MAHB’s AGM here yesterday.

The Transport Ministry revealed recently that the disputed amount owed to MAHB for service charges were accumulated from 2002 to March 31, 2008.

Bashir, whose term at MAHB has been extended for another two years from June 6, 2008, said AirAsia had referred the dispute to the government, which was now looking into the matter as it had to do with approved published rates.

On the other hand, carriers operating out of KLIA pay higher airport charges than those operating out of the Low Cost Carrier Terminal (LCCT), such as Airasia.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) and main carriers have contended that the differential rates presented an unfair advantage of low-cost carriers.

On the matter, Bashir said Singapore started the practice first and MAHB had been asked by the Malaysian government to do the same.
“Of course, the traditional airlines have their concerns and it has in fact been taken up by IATA. But we asked IATA about Singapore because they started it first,” he said.
MAHB chairman Tan Sri Aris Othman said: “We want to clear up this misconception. These rates are not determined by us. It is determined by the government.”
Meanwhile, Bashir said MAHB was targeting a 10% revenue growth and expected five new airlines to start operating out of KLIA this year.

MAHB senior finance manager Faizal Mansor said it had allocated RM400 million for capital expenditure this year and a large portion of it would be used for its retail optimisation plan.
He added that MAHB’s retail business had been growing by 15% to 20% annually over the past few years.

MAHB yesterday announced that its net profit rose 28.5% to RM91.59 million in its first quarter ended March 31, 2008, from RM71.25 million a year earlier, due to the improved contributions by its airport operations, retail, agriculture and event management businesses.
Revenue grew 23.4% to RM409.86 million from RM332.05 million, ahead of the 10% overall passenger growth. Ahmad Bashir said the better results were achieved despite a 19% increase in operating expenses, which was due to higher repair and maintenance, staff related costs and event management costs.


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 Posting #33: Sat May 31st, 2008 04:41

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random wrote: I dun know about that.. If I'm in it for the long term I would focus on the profit derived from operations..

And also you'd have to take into account that all those extra cash won't be handed to you as dividends


Ok...

I would discount it. This is tax allowance for it's purchase of aircrafts.

Meaning they were supposed to pay tax but didn't.

So in a sense, the arguements is - this really isn't profits and when u look at AA cash flow statement, this 51.546 million does not show at all.

Yup, it's not really profits yes?



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 Posting #34: Sat May 31st, 2008 05:03

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I would expect the remainder of the year to be doubly difficult given the record oil prices and the funky AA fuel hedging policy

23 mil next quarter sustainable? :p:

I think the common thinking of passing on the cost via fuel surcharge is a bit naive..

If u are consumer all u see is the ticket price increased (coz u add in the higher fuel surcharge) regardless of the "free" tickets

More expensive tickets will hurt demand no?

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 Posting #35: Sat May 31st, 2008 06:30

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If you ask me... too many odds stack against it...

high oil, massive borrowings... price wars... massive changes in current world economy.... and then if any change in politics, that tax allowance wud stick out like a sore thumb...

500+ mil per quarter woh... if govt collects these money... surely it can help the rakyat rite?

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 Posting #36: Sat May 31st, 2008 07:15

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Sigh ..very difficult la this bet..

Buy some with loose change can? :lol:

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 Posting #37: Sat May 31st, 2008 10:54

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Tax incentive or tax allowance, is just a tax saving for company who paid huge tax payment.1 st must enough tax profit to offset then can see impact on co PAT.

Generally, no impact on PBT, With current situation and so call "unfair treatment from government". With many negetive news such as high oil price. I am doubt they can generated such huge tax saving.

There should be more worry on debt level or debt repayment on such huge capex. instead of saving kacang putih from goverment.


Cashflow r gearing always concern for air asia from day 1 it listed. But........ airasia beat expectation from day 1.. why their current price is below IPO.

Assume long term invester who buy it at day 1....... Wat is their return so far? OR  we all worry about it sustainable....'


YA! i just remember i booking 7 ticket to macau from air asia for my family.I think need pray itstill running next yr?

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 Posting #38: Sat May 31st, 2008 14:01

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Generally, no impact on PBT, With current situation and so call "unfair treatment from government". With many negetive news such as high oil price. I am doubt they can generated such huge tax saving.

For this tax rebat issue, u can read more from these postings..

More on AirAsia's Deferred Tax Issue

AirAsia's deferred taxes issue.


There should be more worry on debt level or debt repayment on such huge capex. instead of saving kacang putih from goverment.

500+ mil per quarter is not kacang putih money!


Cashflow r gearing always concern for air asia from day 1 it listed. But........ airasia beat expectation from day 1.. why their current price is below IPO.

Assume long term invester who buy it at day 1....... Wat is their return so far? OR  we all worry about it sustainable....'

Air Asia beat expectation??????




Haiyooooo.................. very disappointed at this statement cos I am of one them that was rather sooooo disappointed at how much AA underperformed from day 1.




See http://whereiszemoola.blogspot.com/2005/11/airasia.html

Let me post what's written....


When AirAsia made its IPO last Oct 2004, there were indications that perhaps their IPO projection earnings was simply too optimistic.

The following is a snippet from one our local newspaper business section
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AirAsia expects profit to soar
By ALICE CHIA
BUDGET carrier AirAsia Bhd expects net profit for the financial year ending June 30 2005 to more than triple to RM159.9 million compared with RM49.1 million before. Revenue is also expected to jump 90.1 per cent to RM746.6 million from RM392.7 million, according to its prospectus.




Yup. AirAsia expects its net profit to triple the very year its stock will be listed!

Very rosy isn't it?

And needless to say a year later, on Aug 2005, AirAsia simply missed its overly optimistic earnings forecast. Here's another business article snippet.





Monday August 29, 4:09 PM
Malaysia's Airasia Misses Yr Net Profit Forecast
]KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 29 Asia Pulse - AirAsia Berhad (KLSE:5099) has reported group profit after tax and minority interest of RM111.635 million (US$29.6 million) for its financial year ended 30 June 2005, up 127.5 per cent year-on-year.
However, the net profit was 30.2 per cent below the RM159.9 million forecast for the year in the prospectus issued in relation to its initial public offering [IPO] last year, the budget airline said in a filing to Bursa Malaysia on Friday.




Let me work out what it means. When it AirAsia made its IPO prospectus, the total number of shares for AirAsia was 2,335 million shares.

Now based on AirAsia meeting its rosy IPO earnings projection of 160 million, an IPO investor investing in AirAsia was investing in a stock which promised to earn around 6.9 sen earnings per share. The IPO price was priced at 1.40, which meant that the IPO investors assumed that they were investing in AirAsia at an earnings multiple of 21 times fy 2005 earnings. Which is probably ain't too shabby if and if AirAsia delivers what its IPO earning promises.

However... AirAsia failed.

When AirAsia only managed a distance earnings of only 111 million for fy 2005, this totally changed the whole picture lor. This meant that AirAsia only made an earnings per share of only 4.8 sen.

Instead of 6.9 sen.


Which ultimately meant that based at a price of 1.40, these IPO investors invested in a stock trading at an earnings multiple of 29x.

In investing, whether if one is investing in a stock or a property, one's investment goal is to simply to get our investment purchase right. When we buy right, the chances of us achieving success in our investment simply increases mah. Tiok boh?

In simple, whenever we pay less, we should be getting more.

So at 29x earnings multiple... do you think the IPO investor got a fair deal?

Yeah, yeah, yeah... them smartie alecs would be saying no one forced us to invest in this stock mah.

True. So very true.

However, here's another food for thought.

This AirAsia IPO was to raised a whopping RM1.04 billion.

If the retail shares are priced at the maximum MYR1.40 each and institutional shares at MYR1.51, as AirAsia assumes in its prospectus, the IPO will raise about MYR1.04 billion, surpassing KLCC Property oldings Bhd.'s (5089.KU) MYR766 million offering in August.


Now for me, would it be wrong to say that this is a whopping lot of moolah to be parked at a stock at a high earnings multiple? A huge drain of market capital? Am i wrong to put it that way?

Now here's another food for thought. After missing its earnings forecast, there were brokerage houses still expecting rosy earnings numbers from AirAsia. One broker had their earnings estimate set at around 170 million for its fiscal year 2006. Some even had it around 180 million.

All expecting and assuming that AirAsia will deliver such rosy earnings.

Well, well, well.. AirAsia announced its first quarterly earnings for its fiscal 2006 yesterday.

AirAsia only made a net profit of 11 .67 million.

So when the business article today posted that more passengers lifted AirAsia earnings, it just simply amuses me.

Put it this way.... 11.67 million ar? At an annualised basis (err assuming that AirAsia will make lebih kurang the same amount of net profit per quarter for the remaining of its fy 2006) AirAsia will make around 46 million.

Ahem.. that's an eps of only 2 sen lor.


Also... at this rate of earnings... do you think AirAsia can make more moolah this fiscal year compared to last year total of 111 million?


Soooooo based at current price of 1.61, AirAsia is trading at a whopping earnings multiple of 80.5x its annualised 2006.

How?

Sibeh geng leh?

So u want to buy this discounted budget Airline stock onot?


Oh, another food for thought..

We have seen two of our recent biggest IPO, Titan and AirAsia, making overly optmistic earnings projection in their IPO prospectus.

Yes, earnings projections is never easy. It is very understandable that companies will miss their projections but when their earnings projections misses by miles, it really makes me wonder the quality of our Malaysian Talk.

Is all our corporate talk so cheap?

I really wonder.





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 Posting #39: Sat May 31st, 2008 15:55

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Compare Airasia V MAS

MAS is financially more prudently manage compare to Airasia.

1) Mas has Rm 4.2 billion net cash v Airasia Rm 3.3 billion borrowing

2) Mas gearing per share Rm 0.17 v Airasia borrowing per share Rm 1.79.

3) MAS turnover per qtr Rm 3670 miilion V Airasia Rm 535 million or Airasia is only 15% of MAS size in terms of revenue.

4) MAS is run by financial prudent Idris Jala v Airasia run by former music & entertaing  industry Tony.

Conclusion;

A. Airasia make a mistake to take up a price war with MAS !

B.MAS did the right thing to on engage Airasia on a price war.

C.This could be a knockout punch for AirAsia.

 

So how no more subsidized chep airfare from Airasia in the future ?  

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 Posting #40: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 04:26

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For those who wondered...

what if I bought AA during AAs IPO (Nov 2004) or what if I bought MAS instead of AA during AA's IPO or what if I just bought an index linked fund (ie klse)?

here is the result....

Green is for KLSE

Red is for AA

Red is for MAS



 

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