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Posting #1: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 03:46 |
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Here is a randomly selected stock review. :s25: (ok, I am cheating here again, it's yet another recylced review)
1. Background.
Pintaras is a piling and foundation construction expert. You can read the company profile here and its manufacturing profile here.
2. Earnings track record.

3. Breakdown of earnings

* first column = Piling, Civil Engineering & Construction, second column = manufacturing, third column = investment holding & property development.
Firstly as mentioned in the blog posting, Pintaras Jaya:
Pintaras has done rather well since 2000. Yes, there is a blip in earnings for fiscal 2001. Here is what happened as explained by the company in its earnings notes.
- The fourth quarter loss is mainly due to exceptional losses of RM7.33 million, comprising a provision for write down in the value of an investment property of RM2.58 million, a provision for other charges of an investment property of RM3.0 million and a provision for diminution in value of quoted investments of RM1.75 million.
This can be confirmed if you look at the second table. The property investment arm for Pintaras has been dismal.
Previously, from 2002 to 2006, I always believed that Pintaras has been a decent consturction company but it looked really like a company in their own comfort zone - ie decent with lacklustre or no growth. And the earnings - around 10 mil per annum looked rather smallish.
However, I believe this has changed.
And as can be seen in the second table, the piling and civil engineering sector has been doing pretty well and this does indicate that there is indeed a tremendous change of fortune happening in Pintaras Jaya.
As can seen from the updated earnings table and the breakdown of earnings table, Pintaras has had a bumper year for its fy 2007. The Piling, Civil Engineering & Construction division has been the main driver for the fantastic set of earnings for Pintaras.
4. Balance Sheet

Balance is highly admirable.
Pintaras Jaya had a 3 for 5 bonus issue in 2002.
Pintaras jaya just announced last night its dividends for fy 2007. A 10% less tax of 26%. Given the fact that Pintaras has a cash pile of 81.6 sen per share, the increase in its dividends is certainly most welcomed.
5. Brokerage coverage
Stock is covered by OSK and CIMB.
On Aug 2nd, OSK gave the following reasons why it was positive on the construction sector.
- The year started with a Bang and we do not expect it to end on a whimper with expectations of some of the 9MP projects all ready to roll out. Most of the mega projects were already announced earlier this year and that works would start soon. The commencement of the 2nd Penang Bridge is expected later this year, while the massive interstate raw water transfer project is already seeing tenders being made available. More importantly, we expect activities to pick up steam in the 4QCY07 and will forge forward thereafter. Our preliminary estimates show that a massive RM93bn of projects have already been awarded and set to boost domestic growth going forward.
OSK made the following comments on Pintaras:
- Pintaras Jaya (BUY; TP: RM2.60) One of our favourite construction companies that specialises in pilings and foundation works, sub-structure & basements, and earth retaining systems. Being one of biggest in the country will certainly help to strengthen the company’s potential amid the growing construction activities. Has a solid financial track record and is definitely, one of the top BUYs.
CIMb wrote the following in its June report.
Valuation
Immediate beneficiary of 9MP. Pintaras is expected to be one of the immediate beneficiaries of the kick-off of 9MP infrastructure projects over the next few quarters. This is because piling and foundation work is needed before construction work can begin on most infrastructure projects.
Positioned for the upturn. The group has already positioned itself to ride this infrastructure boom, spending RM20m on equipment in the past 18 months that will enable it to undertake as much as RM15m worth of works monthly. Busy with private projects for now… The group is currently busy with piling works for property projects, especially high-rise condominiums. Construction work from the government sector should pick up quickly once 9MP infrastructure projects take off over the next 1-2 quarters.
SOP to value the stock. In view of its strong net liquid asset and cash position, we believe that sum-of-parts valuation (SOP) is the appropriate tool to value the stock. Pintaras’s balance sheet is debt free and has RM60.8m net liquid assets and cash, equivalent to RM0.76/share.
SOP at RM3.42. We have conservatively valued its construction division at 9x CY08 P/E, a 25% discount to our 12x CY08 P/E target due to its small market capitalisation, the short-term nature of its contracts and its tight free float. We tag a conservative CY08 P/E of 6x to its metal container manufacturing division in view of its flat earnings growth. Based on these low-ball assumptions, Pintaras’s SOP valuation is RM3.42.
This values the stock at 10.7x P/E ex-cash. We estimate that Pintaras could record around RM20m operational net earnings (exclude investment and interest income) or 25 sen EPS in FY08. Our RM3.42 SOP valuation implies a reasonable ex-cash FY08 P/E of 10.7x.
Higher DPS? The company has been paying 5.0 sen final DPS annually over the past three years. We believe it is likely to up its final DPS in FY07, which it can afford to do given its strong net cash position and estimated 30 sen EPS in FY07. Assuming that it doubled its final DPS to 10 sen, gross dividend would be an attractive 5.6%.
CIMB's speculation for a higher DPS was spot on.
6. News Coverage
Star Biz had coverage on Pintaras back in July here and a CEO interview here
7. Pros
Company has recorded its highest ever earnings. With an eps of 30.1 sen and cash equiavelent of 81.6 sen/share and a dividend of 10%, there are certainly justification for an investment here.
8. Cons
No company and no stock is ever 100% perfect. Here are 2 issues.
a. This is a rather dead stock.
Not much trading activity at all. From an investment perspective, this is a non issue for some. But for some, the lack of volume could cause severe problem if one has huge stock holding to dispose! Yes, this issue is seriously subjective!
b. The company dabbles in the share market.
Yet another highly subjective issue. Some prefer the company they invest in do not dabble in the stock market. Whatever excess cash a company has should be returned back in form of higher dividends back to the shareholders.
But for some, this issue is acceptable.
Anyway the following is taken from Pintaras latest earnings notes.
(a) Total purchases and disposals of marketable securities for the current financial year-to-date are as follows: -
RM'000
Total Purchases 24,543
Total Disposals 23,300
Total Gain on Disposal 2,100 |
(b) Total investments in marketable securities as at 30 June 2007 are as follows:-
RM'000
At cost 24,372
At carrying value/book value; and 24,372
At market value 30,040 |
As can be seen from above, Pintaras has done fairly well up to now. So there could be some justifications for it to do so. However, for the critics, the obvious question is 'What if bad times occur? Would Pintaras performance in its investments still yield such good results?'
how? highly subjective imo.
9. Recommendations.
this is yet another randomly selected stock review. No recommendations at all from me.
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Posting #2: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 05:17 |
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a. This is a rather dead stock.
Not much trading activity at all. From an investment perspective, this is a non issue for some. But for some, the lack of volume could cause severe problem if one has huge stock holding to dispose! Yes, this issue is seriously subjective!
----------that is good for those who had no time to monitor and as long as no reason to sell or rather wouldnt find a reason to dispose off your investment,why the need to closedly monitor?My initial purchase is way back years ago when it around 1.10.
--------- when the market crashes down, it is time to look see look see and que to load up
b. The company dabbles in the share market.
Yet another highly subjective issue. Some prefer the company they invest in do not dabble in the stock market. Whatever excess cash a company has should be returned back in form of higher dividends back to the shareholders.
But for some, this issue is acceptable.
------- I am not happy with this aspect as the amount was quite substantial if compare to the profit.....but as long as the management didnot increase the exposure and still making profit form the investment,it is still acceptable.
As can be seen from above, Pintaras has done fairly well up to now. So there could be some justifications for it to do so. However, for the critics, the obvious question is 'What if bad times occur? Would Pintaras performance in its investments still yield such good results?'
how? highly subjective imo.
-------bad times?I would expect Malaysian Economy improving come 2008/2009 and the investment yield a better return.
-------Also, I would expect more contributions from piling, civil engineering and construction come year 2008 and 2009 unless all those IDR,NCER and ECER all kaput.Last edited on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 05:20 by tanhin
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Posting #3: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 05:36 |
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Waa... many thanks for the feedback. Let me share some views again. :s18:
a. This is a rather dead stock.
Not much trading activity at all. From an investment perspective, this is a non issue for some. But for some, the lack of volume could cause severe problem if one has huge stock holding to dispose! Yes, this issue is seriously subjective!
----------that is good for those who had no time to monitor and as long as no reason to sell or rather wouldnt find a reason to dispose off your investment,why the need to closedly monitor?
--------- when the market crashes down, it is time to look see look see and que to load up
I do agree with ur comments here. However, the issue of a dead stock perhaps is a bit more complex in my opinion.
Let's face it the very bare facts, we ALL MAKE MISTAKES. To say that this is would not happen is simply SELF DENIAL.
So the issue of dead stock is so simple. What if we had made a mistake in our justication to buy the stock and we wanted to exit the stock? The lack of trading volume would make the disposal of one's investment in the stock an adventure!
b. The company dabbles in the share market.
Yet another highly subjective issue. Some prefer the company they invest in do not dabble in the stock market. Whatever excess cash a company has should be returned back in form of higher dividends back to the shareholders.
But for some, this issue is acceptable.
------- I am not happy with this aspect as the amount was quite substantial if compare to the profit.....but as long as the management didnot increase the exposure and still making profit form the investment,it is still acceptable.
As can be seen from above, Pintaras has done fairly well up to now. So there could be some justifications for it to do so. However, for the critics, the obvious question is 'What if bad times occur? Would Pintaras performance in its investments still yield such good results?'
how? highly subjective imo.
-------bad times?I would expect Malaysian Economy improving come 2008/2009 and the investment yield a better return.
-------Also, I would expect more contributions from piling, civil engineering and construction come year 2008 and 2009 unless all those IDR,NCER and ECER all kaput.
I believe that perhaps you have misunderstood what I had said.
Quote: 'What if bad times occur? Would Pintaras performance in its investments still yield such good results?'
Since i am talking about Pintaras dabbling in marketable securities, surely i have to address the risk issue here. And the obvious risk issue for me here is the issue of BAD TIMES. And bad times in market securites equates to a slump in equities. And a slump in equities might put a huge damper to Pintaras investment in marketable securities. This for me is the risk.
All in as said... do understand that no company and no stock is ever 100% perfect!
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Posting #4: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 05:55 |
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Waa... many thanks for the feedback. Let me share some views again. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=:s18:"
a. This is a rather dead stock.
Not much trading activity at all. From an investment perspective, this is a non issue for some. But for some, the lack of volume could cause severe problem if one has huge stock holding to dispose! Yes, this issue is seriously subjective!
----------that is good for those who had no time to monitor and as long as no reason to sell or rather wouldnt find a reason to dispose off your investment,why the need to closedly monitor?
--------- when the market crashes down, it is time to look see look see and que to load up
I do agree with ur comments here. However, the issue of a dead stock perhaps is a bit more complex in my opinion.
Let's face it the very bare facts, we ALL MAKE MISTAKES. To say that this is would not happen is simply SELF DENIAL.
So the issue of dead stock is so simple. What if we had made a mistake in our justication to buy the stock and we wanted to exit the stock? The lack of trading volume would make the disposal of one's investment in the stock an adventure!
@@@@---------- Yes, I do agree with you the complexity of disposal and the problem of disposing when one buying turnout to be a mistake for a stock that lack trading volume.
@@@@---------- I dont have an answer for it but I would think the initial reason of buying is very important and as long as the reason is still there, I will hold and hold.
b. The company dabbles in the share market.
Yet another highly subjective issue. Some prefer the company they invest in do not dabble in the stock market. Whatever excess cash a company has should be returned back in form of higher dividends back to the shareholders.
But for some, this issue is acceptable.
------- I am not happy with this aspect as the amount was quite substantial if compare to the profit.....but as long as the management didnot increase the exposure and still making profit form the investment,it is still acceptable.
As can be seen from above, Pintaras has done fairly well up to now. So there could be some justifications for it to do so. However, for the critics, the obvious question is 'What if bad times occur? Would Pintaras performance in its investments still yield such good results?'
how? highly subjective imo.
-------bad times?I would expect Malaysian Economy improving come 2008/2009 and the investment yield a better return.
-------Also, I would expect more contributions from piling, civil engineering and construction come year 2008 and 2009 unless all those IDR,NCER and ECER all kaput.
I believe that perhaps you have misunderstood what I had said.
Quote: 'What if bad times occur? Would Pintaras performance in its investments still yield such good results?'
Since i am talking about Pintaras dabbling in marketable securities, surely i have to address the risk issue here. And the obvious risk issue for me here is the issue of BAD TIMES. And bad times in market securites equates to a slump in equities. And a slump in equities might put a huge damper to Pintaras investment in marketable securities. This for me is the risk.
@@@@-----------May be I didnot make it clear and lump the two sentences into one that confuse you.
@@@@--------- With better economy expected(again, assumptions from me), I would expect better stock market performance and better return from their share investment
All in as said... do understand that no company and no stock is ever 100% perfect!
@@@@----------Agrreed, nothing is 100% perfect and a lot of assumptions and projections have to be made but one have to take a calculated risk to be rewarded.
Last edited on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 06:09 by tanhin
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Posting #5: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 06:19 |
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---------- Yes, I do agree with you the complexity of disposal and the problem of disposing when one buying turnout to be a mistake for a stock that lack trading volume.
---------- I dont have an answer for it but I would think the initial reason of buying is very important and as long as the reason is still there, I will hold and hold.
I reckon both these two issues go hand in hand and on a broader sense, the inital buying reasoning is so very important.
However, let's look in a general sense or perhaps let's use me as an example. When I buy a stock, 2 things can happen for me.
- I can make a mistake.
- Things happening beyond my control. For example, something could happen to the company itself. Say a simple change in management or say something happen to the business economics of the company? In short, what if the reasoning to invest in the stock is no longer valid?
How then? Surely I would not want the complexity caused by the lack of trading liquidity to hinder and to hamper my exit in the investment. Right?
-----------May be I didnot make it clear and lump the two sentences into one that confuse you.
---------- With better economy expected(again, assumptions from me), I would expect better stock market performance and better return from their share investment
See hor... in a way yes I do understand you.
However.. I am basing my comments strictly on Pintaras dabbling in market securities. And the immediate risk is what if the market securites sink? IE what happens if Pintaras performs badly?
How?
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Posting #6: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 08:16 |
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I have made an error on my first posting. The earnings track record table was not labelled correctly.
Here is the corrected table!

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Posting #7: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 08:50 |
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This volume is really thin this whole month and price hardly making any significant movement, up or down...or should we say laggards
With the better than expected financial figure and dividents...and the overall market not doing too bad, what will be your decision?
Can it be an opportunity lost? Or a trap not coming too soon?Or a risk not too great to take?
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Posting #8: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 09:18 |
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Dear doc,
From your chart, it looks like this stock is trading sideways. (Building base maybe). Again the problem of liquidity is a headache (same like some other stocks I hold).
If I'm not mistaken, the stock is tightly held with small percentage of free float.. (Have to check my notes on that)
It's a double edged sword for me.. this liquidity issue.. It might reduce volatility.. however exit might be a problem... But.. from the laws of supply and demand, once demand > supply , the price......?? :s25:
On the issue of dabbling in stocks, check out what the director (Dr Chiu Hong Keong) had to say in an interview with the Star
What about the company's investments in securities?
In 1997, we had a lot of cash, interest rates were high and the company enjoyed high interest income. But after the financial crisis, interest rates plunged and so did interest income.
We wondered what to do with our money and then we bought the manufacturing company. We still had extra money and it was earning a miserable interest rate.
Then we decided to go and invest with professional managers. Since then it has become quite sizeable.
(Pintaras has more than RM30mil invested with three fund managers. Over the years, Chiu said, returns had been more than a double-digit percentage per annum.)
:s31:... "we wonder what to do with our money".... How bout giving them shareholders..:s49:
But.. to be fair.. they have been giving nice dividends..
Pros:
1. Perceived to be the market leader
2. Nice fat margin
3. Fast project turnover. So you can bill your customers faster and get the $$ faster..
4. Prudent management. I hate to see companies overexpanding.
5. Local construction picking up so Ptaras is a beneficiary
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Posting #9: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 09:35 |
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On the issue of DEAD stock(s).
IMO this issue is UTMOST important when we want to exit a stock. And I am talking from past xp.
Yes made a mistake b4 and yes I had trouble exiting the stock.
And at the end of the day... the lack of liquidity issue made my investment mistake much larger than I had wanted!
See this blog posting: http://whereiszemoola.blogspot.com/2007/04/systems-and-old-mistakes.html
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Posting #10: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 09:47 |
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Noted.
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